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How To Recognize and Seize Opportunities To Grow, With Senders CEO, Benny Rubin

From playing music and living in Japan...to sending emails?


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  • Music major

  • Studied in Japan

  • Got interested in business and Japan when he was young

  • Played bass on tour during the 2008 financial crisis

  • Social media was really growing

  • He created a platform for artists in the West to connect with listeners in Japan via social media

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  • He became a B2B salesman when he returned to Japan

  • Landed a meeting with an executive at Universal Media

  • Pulled his pricing out of his butt and landed his first client

  • Was fortunate to sell his business

  • Failed at his next venture, but he expanded his Rolodex

  • So he asked what they needed help with and it was cold email

  • For four years he dabbled in it

  • In 2020 he got serious about it

  • He got himself out of the way and brought in staff with strong technical skills

  • He has about 75 current clients

  • He’s not a lead-gen agency, he helps with the technical side of email deliverability

  • There have been a lot of phases in the realm of email

  • Google and Microsoft were very permissive of their email systems if you were a business client

  • Marketo, etc., weren’t too big into policing their customers

  • As email started to get abused, the big providers started clamping down

  • Outreach.io is a little sandbox for sales reps at larger companies to send emails

  • But sending emails from Outreach.io doesn’t affect your CRM email sending

  • Outreach.io has no IP addresses. They are just the interface.

  • Benny and Senders helps replace Google or Microsoft and will often create subdomains

  • Companies like Sendgrid would be used by Senders

  • Email is

    • Domains

    • IP Addresses

    • DNS Records

    • Everything else, i.e., text, copy, etc.

  • He’s more of a managed service provider

  • He found a need and filled it

  • Email is baked into the fabric of the internet.

  • He charges a lot of money to ensure he works with reputable companies

  • When clients notice their deliverability is suffering they start looking for Senders

  • Others notice that as they scale their emails, then their deliverability suffers

  • Maybe they find email-warming software or tools like Outreach.io or they are told to switch from Google to Microsoft, etc.

  • Transitioning can be quick but most of his clients stay with him for many months

  • Could be $1,800/mo to $2,500/mo

  • Go easy with your value propositions in your cold email

  • Under-promise and over-deliver

  • Address their objections before they creep up

  • Think deeply about your prospects

  • “The Bozo Switch” is when you generally agree with someone, but then they say something stupid, so you know they are a bozo

  • Old dawgs can help you in business because we can see things you may not see due to inexperience

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